[Freedos-user] Rufus error messages

[Bill Haught]

I tried Rufus again, this time writing down error messages.

C: HD1, Pri[ 1], CHS=  0-32-33, start= 1MB, size= 14792MB
BIOS reported 0 sectors/track, assuming 63!
BIOS reported 0 sectors/track, assuming 63!
D: HD3, Pri[ 1], CHS=  0-32-33, start= 1MB, size= 200MB

BIOS reported 0 sectors/track, assuming 63!

Info about Freedos used by Rufus:
FreeDOS kernel 2041 (build 2041 OEM:0xfd)
Kernel compatibility 7.10 - WATCOMC - FAT32 support

[Louis Santillan]

Looks like a BIOS issue. What hard drive/chipset options do you have when
you enter the BIOS? The online docs I'm able to find don't show a whole
lot of configurability.

Post by Bill Haught
I tried Rufus again, this time writing down error messages.
C: HD1, Pri[ 1], CHS= 0-32-33, start= 1MB, size= 14792MB
BIOS reported 0 sectors/track, assuming 63!
BIOS reported 0 sectors/track, assuming 63!
D: HD3, Pri[ 1], CHS= 0-32-33, start= 1MB, size= 200MB
BIOS reported 0 sectors/track, assuming 63!
FreeDOS kernel 2041 (build 2041 OEM:0xfd)
Kernel compatibility 7.10 - WATCOMC - FAT32 support
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[Bill Haught]

I figured it out. "USB Operation Mode" at "High Speed" interferes with Freedos installation and USB flash drive booting.  "ACPI Suspend Type" at "S3" also interferes with Freedos installation.  I haven't actually installed Freedos yet, but I can get a listing of the partitions on the hard disk with fdisk.

After installing Rufus I ran dd to put an image on the disk (compressed file from chtaube.eu/computers/freedos/bootable-usb/FreeDos-1.1-memstick-2-2048M.img.bz2). This was before I figured out the BIOS settings which interfered with booting. When booting from a flash USB drive, I can't access the hard drive, DVD drive, or the USB hard drive.  I can access the USB flash drive fine, at least with the dir command.

[Bill Haught]

Here is my autoexec.bat file below.  Note it has uide.sys and shsucdx already.  I don't know if the options are correct for my system, though.  The last time I messed with DOS was about 15-20 years ago when I didn't have a CD Drive, let alone a DVD drive.  By the way, it plays Blu-ray disks too, don't know if that matters.  The only difference between using FreeDOS-1.1-memstick-2-2048M.img.bz2 and the manual HOWTO (http://chtaube.eu/computers/freedos/bootable-usb/howto/) as far as the autoexec.bat file goes is one has mouse and the other ctmouse.


@echo off
set lang=EN
set PATH=%dosdir%\bin
set NLSPATH=%dosdir%\NLS
set HELPPATH=%dosdir%\HELP
set temp=%dosdir%\temp
set tmp=%dosdir%\temp
SET BLASTER=A220 I5 D1 H5 P330
set DIRCMD=/P /OGN
if "%config%"=="4" goto end
lh doslfn
SHSUCDX /QQ /D3
IF EXIST FDBOOTCD.ISO LH SHSUCDHD /Q /F:FDBOOTCD.ISO
LH FDAPM APMDOS
if "%config%"=="2" LH SHARE
REM LH DISPLAY CON=(EGA,,1)
REM NLSFUNC C:\FDOS\BIN\COUNTRY.SYS
REM MODE CON CP PREP=((858) A:\cpi\EGA.CPX)
REM MODE CON CP SEL=858
REM CHCP 858
REM LH KEYB US,,C:\FDOS\bin\KEY\US.KL 
ctmouse
DEVLOAD /H /Q %dosdir%\bin\uide.sys /D:FDCD0001 /S5
ShsuCDX /QQ /~ /D:?SHSU-CDH /D:?FDCD0001 /D:?FDCD0002 /D:?FDCD0003
mem /c /n
shsucdx /D
goto end
:end
SET autofile=C:\autoexec.bat
SET CFGFILE=C:\fdconfig.sys
alias reboot=fdapm warmboot
alias halt=fdapm poweroff
echo type HELP to get support on commands and navigation
echo.
echo Welcome to FreeDOS 1.1
echo.

[Rugxulo]

Hi,

Here is my autoexec.bat file below. Note it has uide.sys and shsucdx already.
I don't know if the options are correct for my system, though. The last time
I messed with DOS was about 15-20 years ago when I didn't have a CD Drive,
let alone a DVD drive. By the way, it plays Blu-ray disks too, don't know if
that matters.

Dunno, I haven't used a lot of CDs in DOS in recent years either. I think I
tried it successfully, but honestly, I just don't have a lot of stuff, just
a few random old games that obviously weren't that urgent for me to
get working (at the time). I should probably test some more. Of
course, without sound (and whatnot), they are "sometimes" less
enjoyable.

Here's a snip from my setup:

123?DEVICE=C:\UTILS\XMGR.SYS /N128
DEVICEHIGH=C:\UTILS\UIDE.SYS /S127 /D:FDCD000 /H

shcdx33f /Q /D?FDCD000 /~

@echo off
set lang=EN
set PATH=%dosdir%\bin

I don't see DOSDIR set here at all! :-P

lh doslfn
SHSUCDX /QQ /D3

Can't remember if that's correct. Don't know if LFNs are needed in
most cases. Try disabling DOSLFN, for now.

http://help.fdos.org/en/hhstndrd/base/shsucdx.htm

Okay, so where's the device name? And why reserve three drives?

IF EXIST FDBOOTCD.ISO LH SHSUCDHD /Q /F:FDBOOTCD.ISO

Mounting an .ISO, eh? :-) Then I guess you don't need UIDE at all.

FYI, I never use this. If it works, good. Sounds messy, though. I
don't know if it's getting confused here or not. But definitely I am!
:-)

In other words, I just use the files directly and don't try to read
from .iso. Presumably it shouldn't be hard to extract the files and
manually copy them over.

LH FDAPM APMDOS

You should probably disable this, for now.

if "%config%"=="2" LH SHARE

I don't even know how well (FD) SHARE works for us (incomplete?).

ctmouse

Disable this, for now.

DEVLOAD /H /Q %dosdir%\bin\uide.sys /D:FDCD0001 /S5
ShsuCDX /QQ /~ /D:?SHSU-CDH /D:?FDCD0001 /D:?FDCD0002 /D:?FDCD0003

Eh? You're loading SHSUCDX twice? Okay, so indeed you are trying to
use three optical (CD/DVD) drives??

shsucdx /D

No idea if this is required three different times. I would be surprised.

[Bill Haught]

The autoexec.bat file is the default Freedos batch file.

[Rugxulo]

Hi,

Post by Bill Haught
I figured it out. "USB Operation Mode" at "High Speed" interferes with Freedos installation
and USB flash drive booting. "ACPI Suspend Type" at "S3" also interferes with Freedos
installation. I haven't actually installed Freedos yet, but I can get a listing of the partitions
on the hard disk with fdisk.

Okay, good to know.

Post by Bill Haught
After installing Rufus I ran dd to put an image on the disk (compressed file from
chtaube.eu/computers/freedos/bootable-usb/FreeDos-1.1-memstick-2-2048M.img.bz2).
This was before I figured out the BIOS settings which interfered with booting.

Okay.

Post by Bill Haught
When booting from a flash USB drive, I can't access the hard drive, DVD drive, or the USB hard drive.
I can access the USB flash drive fine, at least with the dir command.

So, even now, with BIOS adjusted, you're only seeing the jump drive?
If you can't access any hard drives, then something else is going
wrong.

I'm honestly too dumb to know what I'm talking about here, but you'll
have to enable "legacy mode" that doesn't use SATA or AHCI or
whatever. If your machine doesn't allow that, then you're out of luck.

Now, if you meant you can't see your (empty) hard drives in order to
partition them, you may want to use SPFdisk, which allegedly could
support SATA (not that I ever tried). So FD FDISK might not be able
to.

[Bill Haught]

Post by Rugxulo
I'm honestly too dumb to know what I'm talking about here, but
you'll have to enable "legacy mode" that doesn't use SATA or
AHCI or whatever. If your machine doesn't allow that, then you're out
of luck.

Only SATA Modes available are AHCI and RAID

Looks like I'm S.O.L.

[Felix Miata]

Post by Bill Haught
Only SATA Modes available are AHCI and RAID
Looks like I'm S.O.L.

BIOS has no mention of IDE or Legacy anywhere at all? If not, I would think
AHCI would include some degree of legacy support.

[Louis Santillan]

Also you try booting with uide as Rugxulo mention (config.sys) or
try booting from cd.

Post by Felix Miata

Post by Bill Haught
Only SATA Modes available are AHCI and RAID
Looks like I'm S.O.L.

BIOS has no mention of IDE or Legacy anywhere at all? If not, I would think
AHCI would include some degree of legacy support.
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Post by Louis Santillan
Also you try booting with uide as Rugxulo mention (config.sys) or
try booting from cd.

I wouldn't try that myself except as an absolutely last resort. Most flash
utilities that come with any documentation warn that DOS needs to be loaded
with empty CONFIG.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT. Totally empty is probably overkill,
but who knows what might be unsafe?

[Christopher Evans]

When flashing bios you want to be bare bones because a driver / tsr can
interfere with the process and brick your mobo.


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Post by Louis Santillan
Also you try booting with uide as Rugxulo mention (config.sys) or
try booting from cd.

I wouldn't try that myself except as an absolutely last resort. Most flash
utilities that come with any documentation warn that DOS needs to be loaded
with empty CONFIG.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT. Totally empty is probably overkill,
but who knows what might be unsafe?
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[Bill Haught]

The main reason I want Freedos is to flash my hard drive with the latest firmware.  I assume that the hard drive cannot be found for this purpose without legacy ATA support.  I suppose unnecessary drivers (or worse necessary ones?) can brick a hard drive too? 

I wonder if it would be better if companies such as Western Digital provide a Linux image or ISO or something?

[Zbigniew]

Post by Bill Haught
The main reason I want Freedos is to flash my hard drive with the latest
firmware. I assume that the hard drive cannot be found for this purpose
without legacy ATA support.

Maybe the best idea could be... to call techsupport of the
manufacturer (or distributor)? AFAIR 2 years ago I was flashing 2 HDDs
directly from within Windows (they were Seagate). Maybe there are
other ways to do this too - I think their tech guys surely can explain
them.

[Louis Santillan]

I would assume the oem hdd flash software would detect if you're attempting
to flash a non-visible/non-existent drive. The flashing instructions on
the Dell site (
http://www.dell.com/support/home/us/en/19/Drivers/DriversDetails?driverId=NJKYF&fileId=3176063597&osCode=W764&productCode=studio-xps-7100&languageCode=EN&categoryId=SA)
do not indicate that you need to install DOS to flash the firmware. Try
finding your drive (
http://www.dell.com/support/home/us/en/19/product-support/product/studio-xps-7100/drivers)
and following the instructions for it.

Post by Bill Haught
The main reason I want Freedos is to flash my hard drive with the latest
firmware. I assume that the hard drive cannot be found for this purpose
without legacy ATA support. I suppose unnecessary drivers (or worse
necessary ones?) can brick a hard drive too?
I wonder if it would be better if companies such as Western Digital
provide a Linux image or ISO or something?
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[Bill Haught]

Mine is a Western Digital WD10EALX.  The file R313263.exe extracts to C:\dell\drivers\R313263.  The readme.txt in the directory is as follows:

THE INFORMATION, FIRMWARE AND TOOLS, AND ALL ASSOCIATED UPDATES AND MODIFICATIONS (THE “INFORMATION”), CONTAINED HEREIN IS PROVIDED ON AN “AS-IS” BASIS AND WD ASSUMES NO LIABILITY WHATSOEVER WITH RESPECT TO SUCH INFORMATION UNDER ANY CONTRACT, NEGLIGENCE, STRICT LIABILITY OR OTHER LEGAL OR EQUITABLE THEORY, EVEN IF WD HAS BEEN ADVISED ON THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES.
 
WD EXPRESSLY DISCLAIMS ALL EXPRESS AND IMPLIED WARRANTIES IN CONNECTION WITH THE INFORMATION CONTAINED HEREIN, INCLUDING WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE AND INFRINGEMENT OF ANY PATENT, COPYRIGHT OR OTHER INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY RIGHT.





Installation

1. Extract .zip file to a known path
2. Copy "WD.bat" and "WD4082.exe" to root directory of a bootable USB key.
3. Boot from USB key and ensure drive path includes WD.bat and WD4082.exe.
4. Type "WD" and hit "Enter".
5. Firmware update will provide messaging indicating successful update.

Note: Update checks current firmware version and will not run on identical version.

[Bill Haught]

The readme says "bootable USB key"  I assume they mean a DOS one. Especially due to licensing issues making one that boots Windows is a *REAL* project.l



On Thursday, July 17, 2014 1:01 PM, Bill Haught <***@att.net> wrote:



Mine is a Western Digital WD10EALX.  The file R313263.exe extracts to C:\dell\drivers\R313263.  The readme.txt in the directory is as follows:

THE INFORMATION, FIRMWARE AND TOOLS, AND ALL ASSOCIATED UPDATES AND MODIFICATIONS (THE “INFORMATION”), CONTAINED HEREIN IS PROVIDED ON AN “AS-IS” BASIS AND WD ASSUMES NO LIABILITY WHATSOEVER WITH RESPECT TO SUCH INFORMATION UNDER ANY CONTRACT, NEGLIGENCE, STRICT LIABILITY OR OTHER LEGAL OR EQUITABLE THEORY, EVEN IF WD HAS BEEN ADVISED ON THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES.
 
WD EXPRESSLY DISCLAIMS ALL EXPRESS AND IMPLIED WARRANTIES IN CONNECTION WITH THE INFORMATION CONTAINED HEREIN, INCLUDING WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE AND INFRINGEMENT OF ANY PATENT, COPYRIGHT OR OTHER INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY RIGHT.





Installation

1. Extract .zip file to a known path
2. Copy "WD.bat" and "WD4082.exe" to root directory of a bootable USB key.
3. Boot
from USB key and ensure drive path includes WD.bat and WD4082.exe.
4. Type "WD" and hit "Enter".
5. Firmware update will provide messaging indicating successful update.

Note: Update checks current firmware version and will not run on identical version.

[Tom Ehlert]

The readme says "bootable USB key" I assume they mean a DOS one.
Especially due to licensing issues making one that boots Windows is a *REAL* project.l

search for RUFUS (RUFUS_v1.2)
install to USB key

add your WD files
boot from USB key

Tom

Mine is a Western Digital WD10EALX. The file R313263.exe extracts
THE INFORMATION, FIRMWARE AND TOOLS, AND ALL ASSOCIATED UPDATES
AND MODIFICATIONS (THE “INFORMATION”), CONTAINED HEREIN IS PROVIDED
ON AN “AS-IS” BASIS AND WD ASSUMES NO LIABILITY WHATSOEVER WITH
RESPECT TO SUCH INFORMATION UNDER ANY CONTRACT, NEGLIGENCE, STRICT
LIABILITY OR OTHER LEGAL OR EQUITABLE THEORY, EVEN IF WD HAS BEEN
ADVISED ON THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES.
WD EXPRESSLY DISCLAIMS ALL EXPRESS AND IMPLIED WARRANTIES IN
CONNECTION WITH THE INFORMATION CONTAINED HEREIN, INCLUDING
WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE AND
INFRINGEMENT OF ANY PATENT, COPYRIGHT OR OTHER INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY RIGHT.
Installation
1. Extract .zip file to a known path
2. Copy "WD.bat" and "WD4082.exe" to root directory of a bootable USB key.
3. Boot from USB key and ensure drive path includes WD.bat and WD4082.exe.
4. Type "WD" and hit "Enter".
5. Firmware update will provide messaging indicating successful update.
Note: Update checks current firmware version and will not run on identical version.
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[Bill Haught]

So, even though I can't access the hard drive in Freecdos, the firmware update should work?

As I mentioned earlier, Freedos requires a ATA legacy mode in BIOS, which I don't have.

wrong.

Found this in the archives
http://sourceforge.net/p/freedos/mailman/message/26625851/
 "UIDE/UIDEJR can run AHCI drives on mainboards that have a "legacy" or "native IDE"
 setting for AHCI controllers, i.e. the drives can be addressed
using standard SATA/IDE I-O logic."

right.  UIDE doesn't work on AHCI controllers - and isn´t required for
FreeDOS.
FreeDOS is perfectly happy without UIDE.
(UIDE might even get in the way of updating your HD firmware.)

AS SAID BEFORE

search for RUFUS (RUFUS_v1.2)
install to USB key
add your WD files
boot from USB key

your  'update  HD  Firmware'  Software should take care about anything
else (even only to tell you 'this software requires windows')

Tom

 
Mine is a Western Digital WD10EALX. 

  The file R313263.exe extracts

THE INFORMATION, FIRMWARE AND  TOOLS, AND ALL ASSOCIATED UPDATES
AND MODIFICATIONS (THE “INFORMATION”), CONTAINED HEREIN IS PROVIDED
ON AN “AS-IS” BASIS AND WD ASSUMES NO LIABILITY WHATSOEVER WITH
RESPECT TO SUCH INFORMATION UNDER ANY CONTRACT, NEGLIGENCE, STRICT
LIABILITY OR OTHER LEGAL OR EQUITABLE THEORY, EVEN IF WD HAS BEEN
ADVISED ON THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES. 
 
WD EXPRESSLY DISCLAIMS ALL EXPRESS AND IMPLIED WARRANTIES IN
CONNECTION WITH THE INFORMATION CONTAINED HEREIN, INCLUDING
WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE

  AND

INFRINGEMENT OF ANY PATENT, COPYRIGHT OR OTHER INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY RIGHT.
Installation 
1. Extract .zip file to a known path
2. Copy "WD.bat" and "WD4082.exe" to root directory of a bootable USB key.
3. Boot from USB key and ensure drive path includes WD.bat and WD4082.exe.
4. Type "WD" and hit "Enter".
5. Firmware update will provide messaging indicating successful update.
Note: Update checks current firmware version and will not run on identical version.
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Tom Ehlert
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[Tom Ehlert]

Post by Bill Haught
So, even though I can't access the hard drive in Freecdos,

you can access the harddrive from FreeDOS

Post by Bill Haught
the firmware update should work?

I don't have the faintest idea if the firmware update will work, but
YES

Post by Bill Haught

As I mentioned earlier, Freedos requires a ATA legacy mode in BIOS, which I don't have.

wrong.

Found this in the archives
http://sourceforge.net/p/freedos/mailman/message/26625851/
 "UIDE/UIDEJR can run AHCI drives on mainboards that have a "legacy" or "native IDE"
 setting for AHCI controllers, i.e. the drives can be addressed
using standard SATA/IDE I-O logic."

right.  UIDE doesn't work on AHCI controllers - and isn´t required for
FreeDOS.
FreeDOS is perfectly happy without UIDE.
(UIDE might even get in the way of updating your HD firmware.)
AS SAID BEFORE

search for RUFUS (RUFUS_v1.2)
install to USB key
add your WD files
boot from USB key

your  'update  HD  Firmware'  Software should take care about anything
else (even only to tell you 'this software requires windows')
Tom

 
Mine is a Western Digital WD10EALX. 

  The file R313263.exe extracts

THE INFORMATION, FIRMWARE AND  TOOLS, AND ALL ASSOCIATED UPDATES
AND MODIFICATIONS (THE “INFORMATION”), CONTAINED HEREIN IS PROVIDED
ON AN “AS-IS” BASIS AND WD ASSUMES NO LIABILITY WHATSOEVER WITH
RESPECT TO SUCH INFORMATION UNDER ANY CONTRACT, NEGLIGENCE, STRICT
LIABILITY OR OTHER LEGAL OR EQUITABLE THEORY, EVEN IF WD HAS BEEN
ADVISED ON THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES. 
 
WD EXPRESSLY DISCLAIMS ALL EXPRESS AND IMPLIED WARRANTIES IN
CONNECTION WITH THE INFORMATION CONTAINED HEREIN, INCLUDING
WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE

  AND

INFRINGEMENT OF ANY PATENT, COPYRIGHT OR OTHER INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY RIGHT.
Installation 
1. Extract .zip file to a known path
2. Copy "WD.bat" and "WD4082.exe" to root directory of a bootable USB key.
3. Boot from USB key and ensure drive path includes WD.bat and WD4082.exe.
4. Type "WD" and hit "Enter".
5. Firmware update will provide messaging indicating successful update.
Note: Update checks current firmware version and will not run on identical version.
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Mit freundlichen Grüßen/Kind regards
Tom Ehlert
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[Bill Haught]

The readme says "bootable USB key"  I assume they mean a DOS one. Especially due to licensing issues making one that
boots Windows is a *REAL* project.l

Or maybe not.  Apparently with Vista and 7 it is easy to copy the Installation disk to a USB flash drive judging from what I just found searching the Net.

[dmccunney]

The readme says "bootable USB key" I assume they mean a DOS one.
Especially due to licensing issues making one that
boots Windows is a *REAL* project.l

Or maybe not. Apparently with Vista and 7 it is easy to copy the
Installation disk to a USB flash drive judging from what I just found
searching the Net.

Or maybe so.

Note that says "installation disk". That means you can potentially
start an install of Vista/7 from a USB drive. It does not mean you
can create a portable Windows installation that will *run* from a
thumbdrive.

It's the last thing MS would want: Windows is licensed per machine.
Install it to a drive, then move that drive to a different machine,
and Windows will recognize it's in a new environment and want to be
re-authenticated.

If you want an OS that will boot and run from a USB drive, you
probably use Linux.

Incidentally, why do you need to flash the BIOS on the WD drive?

If the drive is performing as expected, it might not be necessary.
Does the BIOS update provide something you have to have?
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[Bill Haught]

dmccunney:
Note that says "installation disk".  That means you can potentially
start an install of Vista/7 from a USB drive.  It does not mean you
can create a portable Windows installation that will *run* from a
thumbdrive.

Me:
If I can copy files to the flash drive
and get to a "DOS prompt" and run a program such as a firmware update
I'm happy.  I don't need a portable Windows installation.  My guess
though is that it is a DOS program, in which case I expect the computer
to freeze before bricking the hard drive.

Post by dmccunney
Incidentally, why do you need to flash the BIOS on the WD drive?
If the drive is performing as expected, it might not be necessary.
Does the BIOS update provide something you have to have?

I can probably do without.  It doesn't really seem worth all this effort.  I like to keep everything up to date.

[Bill Haught]

dmccunney:
Note that says "installation disk".  That means you can potentially
start an install of Vista/7 from a USB drive.  It does not mean you
can create a portable Windows installation that will *run* from a
thumbdrive.

Me: If I can copy files to the flash drive and get to a "DOS prompt" and run a program such as a firmware update I'm happy.  I don't need a portable Windows installation.  Even the installation disk allows you to get to the C:\>. My guess though is that it is a DOS program, in which case I expect the computer to freeze before bricking the hard drive.

I can probably do without.  It doesn't really seem worth all this effort.  I like to keep everything up to date.

[dmccunney]

Post by dmccunney
Note that says "installation disk". That means you can potentially
start an install of Vista/7 from a USB drive. It does not mean you
can create a portable Windows installation that will *run* from a
thumbdrive.

Me: If I can copy files to the flash drive and get to a "DOS prompt" and run a program such as a firmware update I'm happy. I don't need a portable Windows installation. Even the installation disk allows you to get to the C:\>. My guess though is that it is a DOS program, in which case I expect the computer to freeze before bricking the hard drive.

The issue isn't that it's a DOS program - it's that it needs sole
access to and control of the drive while it does the firmware update.
That *can't* be done from Windows, which is why you boot from bootable
media running something like DOS, and all DOS does is serve as a
loader to run the update program that flashes the drive BIOS with an
updated image.

I can probably do without. It doesn't really seem worth all this effort. I like to keep everything up to date.

So do I. But updates like that I've seen have been compatibility
fixes for particular systems. Ivf you don't have one of those
systems, you don't need to apply the update, as it doesn't get you
anything you don't already have.
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Dennis

[Bill Haught]

Found this in the archives http://sourceforge.net/p/freedos/mailman/message/26625851/

 "UIDE/UIDEJR can run AHCI drives on mainboards that have a "legacy" or "native IDE"
 setting for AHCI controllers, i.e. the drives can be addressed using standard SATA/IDE I-O logic."

In simple terms, I'm screwed.